then in 2008 they came to us. john, you and i worked together on the whole question to the response to the financial. i believe we had in 2007, 2008, this is not a longstanding problem. a great deal of cooperation in the bush administration. i do believe that there were elected some people in 2010, tea party influence, who repudiated the notion of compromise, and some have said it exclusively. i think partisanship, you have to start from a position of principle and then you work together. i think in 2007 and 2008 we showed how can you do that. >> candy, let me join in the general hopefulness that we're going to avoid the fiscal cliff, but it's not a done deal. it's not a certainty. the reason is the country -- the government is on automatic pilot to the fiscal cliff, to massive tax increases and really horrible spending cuts on january 1st unless we act, so if congress does nothing, which congress has gotten pretty good at doing these days, we'll go over the fiscal cliff, so there's work to be done and compromises